Note: I am defining lust as "a feeling of sexual desire" and lustful thoughts as "sexual thoughts or fantasies." This is actually the dictionary definition, when devoid of all the shame talk religion gives the word "lust."
Just recently I tried to show one of my brothers a movie I really enjoy. After watching the beginning, he told me he could watch no more. Why? Because it included some nudity. This has made me realize how hard it must be to be my brother. He believes that any time he thinks about sex he is committing the sin of fornication just as if he were actually having sex. The problem here is that my brother is a red blooded American male in his early twenties. How can he not think about sex? In fact, he is hard wired to think about sex! What an internal conflict he must face!
Just recently I tried to show one of my brothers a movie I really enjoy. After watching the beginning, he told me he could watch no more. Why? Because it included some nudity. This has made me realize how hard it must be to be my brother. He believes that any time he thinks about sex he is committing the sin of fornication just as if he were actually having sex. The problem here is that my brother is a red blooded American male in his early twenties. How can he not think about sex? In fact, he is hard wired to think about sex! What an internal conflict he must face!
My brother likely cannot walk across the street or through a grocery store without seeing something, a neckline or a hip movement, that makes him think about sex, and when he does, he in all likelihood beats himself up for committing the sin of fornication. He must wonder why is so unable to stop himself from sinning in this way. He must wonder what is wrong with him. I would be surprised if he wishes that women wore more clothing, so that he would not be forced so helplessly to sin. It’s really no wonder he refused to watch a TV show that included some nudity! Think, for example, of the title of Joshua Harris’s book Sex Is Not the Problem, Lust Is.
It’s really no wonder people who see lust as a sin emphasize modesty the way they do. If you believe that every lustful thought a man has is a sin, you’ll do anything you can to stop those lustful thoughts. Unfortunately the only way to stop those lustful thoughts is to cover up female bodies with layers of clothing. Yet I would guess that even that enough. Even then a man can be tempted to think lustful thoughts. It’s no wonder some Muslims have gone to the extreme of requiring their women to wear literal tents of clothing.
The problem is that lust is, to put it simply, natural. It’s actually an evolutionary phenomenon. Mating (i.e. sex) leads to children. Those individuals with more impulse to mate are more likely to have children, and therefore more likely to pass their genes on. Those with less impulse to mate are less likely to procreate and pass their genes on. After hundreds of thousands of years and more, the impulse to mate is naturally very strong. After all, the impulse to mate ensures that genes are passed on, and among those genes is the impulse to mate. This makes sense. My brother, then, is in the prime of his life and feels this natural impulse. Unfortunately, he interprets this natural impulse as a sin.
I also used to think like my brother, and it almost ruined my marriage. I have to ask, who the heck thought that teaching me first that every time a man thinks a lustful though he is committing “fornication” or “adultery” in his heart and second that men think about sex all the time and practically can’t help it was a good idea? The combination is noxious!
After I first married I naturally believed that my husband was cheating on me numerous times every day. I was overcome by jealousy, and I didn’t let the issue be. I watched my husband closely when we were out, and felt sick to my stomach every time we would pass an attractive woman. When he would get home from work, I would grill him, asking if he had seen any attractive women that day or whether he had had sexual thoughts about anyone other than me. When he was honest, I would feel hurt and sometimes even cry. The pain I felt in my heart, the jealousy - how unnecessary they were! I was missing how completely enamored my husband was with me by focusing on jealously guarding his thoughts! I look back and shake my head at the pain I felt and the pain I caused my husband.
After about a year of marriage I came to my senses and realized that there is nothing wrong with lust. Nothing. There is a problem of course if lust leads one to do things that hurt others, but that problem is not inherent to lust itself. Today, I have no problem with the fact that my husband thinks sexual thoughts when he sees attractive women; this is, after all, only natural. I have realized that asking my husband not to have these thoughts is asking him to go against his very nature as a human male. In contrast, if my husband were to allow lustful thoughts to take over his life and get in the way of his work, or if he were to act on those feelings and have sex with another woman, or if he were to allow thoughts of other women to make him dissatisfied with me, that would be a problem. His natural lustful thoughts, however, are not a problem. And with that realization I have seen more every day how completely in love with me my husband is, and how much he absolutely adores me.
Now that I have realized that lust is not a problem, my relationship with my husband has improved drastically. Today my husband and I talk openly about who we think is hot. We’ll be walking down the street together and he’ll gesture to a guy a ten yards away. “What do you think of him?” he’ll ask. Or we’ll pass a bodacious woman and then I’ll turn to my husband: “You were looking at her boobs, weren’t you?” “Yeah. But apparently so were you.” And then we smile. We talk about which actors or actresses we think are the sexiest. He prefers Angelina Jolie, and I go for Brad Pitt. But then he’ll tell me that he likes Angelina Jolie in part because she and I share some features, and I’ll tell him that I see him as a slightly less hunky version of Brad Pitt with highly superior brains. Our sexuality has become something we can bond over, rather than something I have to jealously guard.
I think the biggest thing that has changed, though, is that I now trust my husband. I am not bothered by knowing that my husband is sexually attracted to other women. It may seem counterintuitive, but now that I realize that lust is not a problem I can finally trust my husband in a way I couldn’t before. I trust him to not let his thoughts lead to adultery or or make him discontented with me, but I also don’t worry about those things anymore, because I know that just because he thinks other women are hot doesn’t mean he’s not totally crazy about me. Somehow, I missed that before. Somehow, my husband being attracted to other women meant that I wasn’t enough, that I was inferior, that he was on the lookout for something more. And now I’ve realized that that’s not the case at all.
I wish my brother could realize this. I wish he could see his lustful thoughts as normal and simply seek to deal with them in a healthy manner instead of trying to eradicate them and then feeling guilty and sinful when he finds that he cannot. I wish he could stop torturing himself. I wish he could realize that, well, lust is no big deal. Maybe then he could enjoy watching the movie I think he’d like so much.
The reality is that these teachings about the sinfulness of lust are destructive, both to young men and young women, and also to marriages. It’s time to say that enough is enough.
Note: I am defining lust as "a feeling of sexual desire" and lustful thoughts as "sexual thoughts or fantasies." This is actually the dictionary definition, when devoid of all the shame talk religion gives the word "lust."
Who says more clothes helps anyway? Like all red blooded males, I think through them threads.
ReplyDeleteVery honest and well articulated post, Libby. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this important topic.
ReplyDeleteI think I agree with pretty much everything you said. Living it out can get tricky sometimes, though, as a wife who wants to do what she can to protect her relationship with her husband and minimize any potential problems.
An example! How should I have reacted to the idea of a *very* skimpily clad, sexy 18 year old wanting to come live in my house with myself and my husband for a week? I'm not a legalist (I don't think so, anyway) but I wanted her to wear some clothes, damn it! :)
I believe it's not the thoughts that make a person sin, but what they do with them (their actions). I guess actions are usually thoughts played out, but with actions you have a choice. I don't believe you have much choice about all the thoughts that go through your head, just what you do with them. Which is why i don't think you should go beat yourself up over some thought that ran through your mind. If you don't like/believe in it, don't act on it!
ReplyDeleteI guess what i'm trying to say is, that to me lust isn't a thought, it is an action.
~Lisa
Lisa - My parents used to say that it wasn't the first glance that was the problem, it was the second. You seem to be saying something like that too (unless I'm misreading it). In contrast, I have no problem with my husband dwelling on sexual thoughts after noticing a woman walking down the street or watching a movie with a hot actress. I sometimes enjoy doing the same! So it's not just the first thought I think is okay, it's subsequent thoughts too. Like you say, though, the problem is when it turns from thought into action: for example, if my husband sacrificed his work to spend time thinking lustful thoughts, had sex with some other woman, or ended up being discontented with how I look physically. So I think we would agree, I just wanted to clarify that I don't just not mind the first sexual thought my husband might have, I also don't mind him dwelling on those thoughts. :)
ReplyDeleteVery well put. I know that what I was taught about sex, lust, and love has often been confusing and guilt-inducing for me. We are naturally attracted to people and this attraction is ultimatly good. As you say it also depends what we do with it. I have often wondered how to teach my own children about such things.
ReplyDeleteI do think that lust can be something negative when we start to think of others as things for our own gratification rather than people with minds and hearts. Peoples' minds and hearts are half of their sexiness anyway.
I am not usually unsettled by the way people use words, but I am this time. I think it is because we define lust differently.
ReplyDeleteWhat you seem to be calling lust, I call appreciation and attraction. I define more on the lines of obsession, objectifying another person in a way that dehumanizes them and is only about your personal gratification.
Noticing a guy is hot is not lust, in my definitions. Fantasizing about him in such a way that reduces him as a human being to merely a sexual toy I play with in my mind, that would be lust.
But I am an artist. How can you not appreciate and be attracted to the beautiful people in this world on some level? If there is a creator (and you know I think there is) how could the creator NOT appreciate you noticing his stunning handiwork? ;-)
On the other hand, creepy ick to think anyone would fantasize about me. Notice I'm beautiful or that I have a nice body? Thank you. But decent people let it go at that.
So, I agree with everything except your using the word "lust" when I would use the word "attraction" or "appreciation". I think lust goes way beyond that, and I am not comfortable with endorsing what I call lust as no big deal.
But to each his own. Other people disagree with me and actually watch porn with their partners, and seem to be normal, law-abiding citizens. What do I know? :p
SS - I just added a definitional note to the end of this piece. I am defining lust as "a feeling of sexual desire" and lustful thoughts as "sexual thoughts." So it's not just appreciation, it's sexual thoughts and fantasizing that I think is natural and not a problem.
ReplyDelete"Noticing a guy is hot is not lust, in my definitions. Fantasizing about him in such a way that reduces him as a human being to merely a sexual toy I play with in my mind, that would be lust."
And see, I'm fine with the fantasizing - so long as it is coupled with an awareness that the opposite sex is human and equal and that the object of lust is also a person with thoughts and feelings, I don't see a problem with it. Heck, I do it too!
I think I may just be a lot more open about this than most. To each his own.
Yeah, I agree with you. Fantasizing is NOT a sin. I'm pretty sure every person on the planet has at one time or another.
ReplyDeleteDehumanizing people is the problem. I didn't grow up QF. I grew up in the Free Love 70s. It is easy to tell when a man is looking at you with appreciation versus looking at you with lust. I was a barmaid with a rocking rack, so that's where I'm coming from. =D
SS - Okay, then I think we agree! See, I was taught that lust and fantasizing are ALWAYS dehumanizing and always turn someone into a "sex object." I don't think this is true. I think you can fantasize about someone, and appreciate their body, and think sexual thoughts about them, without necessarily "dehumanizing" them.
ReplyDeleteGreat post! I will never understand the big fuss in religious fundamentalism over people having sexual thoughts. I mean, of all things to make a big deal over...
ReplyDeleteAlso, I find that obsessing over lust (and I'm going with your definition) really just backfires and makes people see sex absolutely everywhere. I know that's a cliche, but it's true. Here's an example: As a folk musician, I meet a lot of really different people--from hardcore feminist, tattooed lesbians to conservative Mormon family bands. For a while I was hanging out and playing with a really good fiddler who was also a conservative Christian (we tried not to talk about religion or politics...) I really loved making music with him--he was a great musician--but eventually I had to let the friendship die because, unfortunately, he also found me attractive and could not stop obsessing about it. He was constantly (in that sort of joking-but-serious way) accusing me of trying to lead him into temptation every time I did such shamelessly brazen things as lean over while wearing a tank top, stretch, or even simply sit in a position that he deemed "seductive"--things that my male friends with healthier, more relaxed attitudes towards their own sexuality wouldn't even have noticed. And it made me feel really, REALLY uncomfortable and dirty. There was always an undercurrent of hostility in his attitude--as if he were blaming me for his attraction, which, no doubt he was. He also had no sense of boundaries--sometimes he's say really sexually inappropriate things to me out of nowhere. I guess if you believe that ALL sexual feelings are some how evil and deviant, you never actually develop a sense of what's actually appropriate behavior and what isn't.
When I think about guys like him, it's easy for me to see how negative attitudes towards sex lead to negative attitudes towards women. After all, in a societies where men call the shots (you know, like all of 'em) women and their bodies become nothing but snags in men's attempts to remain virtuous. What else is there to do, then, but control their every move?
Actually I think I would be insulted if my boyfriend told me he thinks other women are "hot" and fantasizes about it. I mean we both recognize that other people in this world are attracted but neither of us are attracted to them, at least not now. If anything if I see a shirtless guy it gets me thinking about my boyfriend shirtless. And I never see him ogle other women and we're both more physical than visual any way. Any sexual image that I see arouses passion in me which I then channel to him, and I'm reasonably certain that he feels the same way!
ReplyDeleteWow, I have the exact same problem you had about my boyfriend thinking about other women.
ReplyDeleteI was raised Independend Fundamental Baptist with all that sexual repression and "defrauding" crap.
Like you had, I literally get sick to my stomach if a pretty woman is around my boyfriend and part of me wants to constantly have him blindfolded permanantly.
My "smart" side knows that his thoughts are natural and they dont' mean he loves me or desires me less.
I'm constantly telling myself to be rational and not let the little bits of me that are still brainwashed to get in the way. I've definitely improved and now I don't mind when he comments on how hot a woman is. :) It's going to take a while to completely get rid of the jealousy and insecurity, but any baby steps are a good thing! You're post was definitely a help. :)
crazy stuff. you have drifted a long way from where you were.
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My experience has been almost exactly the same as the OP's. Luckily, the longer I've been with my amazing husband the more I've been able to relax. Now we can openly check out other people together, and it's actually decreased my jealousy. There is no reason for us to keep secrets from each other because it is safe for us to tell each other who and what we are attracted to. Variety is essential to keeping a long-term sexual relationship satisfying, and a few fun fantasies go a long way.
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